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My first shooter!

Postby munkin » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:12 am

Hello everyone!
This is my second bow, and the first shooter, completely funcional (the first I made had a little crack on the back). It is a 75'' NTN beech longbow whit drywall tape and epox. glue backing; it pulls approx 35-40 lbs @ 28. "Approx." because I think my dinamometer is too old and out of scale... I made up this bow whit a lumberyard stave. It has about 1/2'' of string follow and an hinge on the top limb :oops: Since it seems to work, I decided to hold this hinge, otherwise I'll have a too little draw wheight.

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Any comments and tips are welcome!
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby crimbizzle » Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:57 am

beautiful bow! Don't sweat the limbs being uneven, just make another one. I think usually it'd be better to get rid of the hinge so it won't come back to haunt you, but like I said. It's fun to just make another one.
Couple questions spring to mind:
What finish did you use? and how fine did you sand it? It has a very appealing satin look to it. Also, what are the tip overlays and handle made out of?

As beautiful as the rest of it is, you ought to make your next one with a hickory backing or something similar. You have an eye for aesthetics and the drywall tape, while fully functional and well done, looks a little unnatural
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby munkin » Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:21 pm

Thank you so much!
concerning the questions: I sanded it whit 60, 80, 120 and 240 sandpaper, and than I have applied one (or two? I don't remember..) hand of "wax". I don't know if it's the correct english translation for it: the italian word is "cera d'api". It looks good, but I didn't use anything under this, so it remains a little sticky... a good lesson for the next bow!
I glued a piece of beech on the handle from the same stave, but it has a quite different colour: I don't know why! Anway, I like these delicate colours contrast.
On the tips I glued two little pieces of olive wood; it's is terrible to work, but I love the pattern of this!

For the backing, I used drywall tape because it is very cheap and easy to use, and because I can't find Hickory in Italy! Concerning this, I have often a lot of difficult to find some woods that all of you use for bowmaking: Hickory, but also Osage, Bamboo, Yew, Ipe and many other. Is there a wood that can be used on backings like Hickory? I can find Walnut, oak, ash and beech easily, and perhaps some other kind...
(now I'm making another longbow, walnut whit a kind of bamboo for backing)
Thanks again!
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby kauboy » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:13 pm

Nice bow!!!
I love the heartwood/sapwood contrast of the handle. Very well done.

My first one had a bad hinge too. No sweat, just a learning process for the next one.

If you have Ash and Walnut around you, you have some excellent bow woods.
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby munkin » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:18 am

Thank you Kau!
So walnut and ash are good bow woods. Good to hear. So I have a couple of question: do you think I can use walnut to back another bow? Can I made a beech or ash bow like this one whit a walnut backing?
Thanks!
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby kauboy » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:05 pm

From our handy dandy bow wood list:

ASH: green .56; Oregon .56; blue .58; white .59; European .61. White is our heaviest ash. Almost all sapwood. Oregon looks and behaves almost identically to White.

WALNUT: black .55. Semi-ring-porous, easy to work, elastic for its mass, similar in performance to cherry, but more tension-safe. Will try to chrysal where cherry wont. A wonderful, overlooked bow wood. Bows can be all sapwood or all heartwood, or mixed, sapwood taking a bit more set in compression. The off-white sapwood can be worked down to 25% or so of limb thickness, creating appealing contrast with the almost black belly. Very high heartwood extractive level, so as with similar woods, it may be more resistant to water absorption. Its reported not to warp with rising and falling humidity, possibly for this reason.

WALNUT, European .56. Design as per Black. Not as pretty, but makes a nice bow. Strong enough in tension to tolerate being a backward bow: the crowned sapling surface as belly, the split back surface tillered.


Pay close attention to the types in your area, but the European varieties of each wood seem to be stronger than our American ones.

Here's a thread where White Ash and Black Walnut were used, with Walnut being the backing.
white ash and black walnut bilam
In the end, the Walnut did break, but the bowyer thinks it was due to going back and trying to fix the tiller. Too much wood removed at a runoff spot.
In either case, it's worth a try for a normal longbow.
It certainly looks great!
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby munkin » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:16 am

Thank you kau! Your answers are very helpful!
Now I'm building a 76'' walnut longbow, whit a kind of bamboo baking, and a 66'' ash recurve...
we will see!
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby huntersteve » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:00 am

very nice looking bow...I think you did a great job on it....Steve
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Re: My first shooter!

Postby munkin » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:26 pm

Thank you huntersteve!
In this month I shot hundreds of arrows whit this bow, and I start to make some nice shoots from 25 meters... (is not too far, but I'm a newbie archer! :-)
The hinge seems ok, the string follow remain the same in this period.
I would like to say thank you to all of you, I use a lot of useful information founded in this site to make this bow!
Now I'm making another bow: a true 78'' Yew ELB...I'll post some pictures soon.
Bye!

ps: the walnut longbow broke some days ago: anyway, it was made up from a bad lumberyard stave... another good lesson about bad boardstave.
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